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		<title>By: madisonian.net &#187; EULA discussion</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/09/02/eula-developments/comment-page-1/#comment-15027</link>
		<dc:creator>madisonian.net &#187; EULA discussion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Mike&#8217;s previous post re. the recent EULA cases are quite good, as are the posts to which he links. I don&#8217;t have much to add, except for a little &#8220;off the top of my head&#8221; ramble. Reading over them, I found myself nodding and in basic agreement but still wondering whether we&#8217;re missing something important. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t it, but might the death of assent itself be a (systemic) harm that we find troublesome. First, if/when the exception (actual assent not really required, trivial manifestations will be deemed sufficient) becomes the rule, it seems to me that many of the advantages of contract as a means for efficient private ordering are put at risk. Second, without assent as a meaningful component of contract law, contracts begin to look more like instruments for &#8220;thing definition&#8221; than for defining the relationship between parties. This seems troublesome because the relationship between contracting parties is itself commodified (or &#8220;thingified&#8221;).    Trackback URL: http://madisonian.net/archives/2005/09/13/eula-discussion/trackback/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Mike&#8217;s previous post re. the recent EULA cases are quite good, as are the posts to which he links. I don&#8217;t have much to add, except for a little &#8220;off the top of my head&#8221; ramble. Reading over them, I found myself nodding and in basic agreement but still wondering whether we&#8217;re missing something important. Perhaps this isn&#8217;t it, but might the death of assent itself be a (systemic) harm that we find troublesome. First, if/when the exception (actual assent not really required, trivial manifestations will be deemed sufficient) becomes the rule, it seems to me that many of the advantages of contract as a means for efficient private ordering are put at risk. Second, without assent as a meaningful component of contract law, contracts begin to look more like instruments for &#8220;thing definition&#8221; than for defining the relationship between parties. This seems troublesome because the relationship between contracting parties is itself commodified (or &#8220;thingified&#8221;).    Trackback URL: <a href="http://madisonian.net/archives/2005/09/13/eula-discussion/trackback/" rel="nofollow" >http://madisonian.net/archives/2005/09/13/eula-discussion/trackback/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/09/02/eula-developments/comment-page-1/#comment-14384</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2005 16:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer to #2 is that law isn&#039;t the same as technology. One might as well say: If someone can make destruct-disabling aftermarket products for supposed “single-use” printer cartridges, why should they be prohibited by law from selling it?
(or even, code == speech, telling others how to disable the destruct!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer to #2 is that law isn&#8217;t the same as technology. One might as well say: If someone can make destruct-disabling aftermarket products for supposed “single-use” printer cartridges, why should they be prohibited by law from selling it?<br />
(or even, code == speech, telling others how to disable the destruct!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McKenna</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/09/02/eula-developments/comment-page-1/#comment-14130</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2005 20:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike -

It seems to me that the answer to Hard Question #2 is that self-destructing single use cartridges might be engineered around.  That is, if it&#039;s worth it for other companies to enter replacement markets, then they&#039;re likely to figure out a way around the technological limitations (as long as they&#039;re allowed to).  Granted it makes entry more costly and probably less efficient, but at least it&#039;s possible.  Not so with contractual degradation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike -</p>
<p>It seems to me that the answer to Hard Question #2 is that self-destructing single use cartridges might be engineered around.  That is, if it&#8217;s worth it for other companies to enter replacement markets, then they&#8217;re likely to figure out a way around the technological limitations (as long as they&#8217;re allowed to).  Granted it makes entry more costly and probably less efficient, but at least it&#8217;s possible.  Not so with contractual degradation.</p>
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		<title>By: Copyfight</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/09/02/eula-developments/comment-page-1/#comment-13389</link>
		<dc:creator>Copyfight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2005 18:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Latest IP Crime: &quot;Box-Wrap&quot; Patent Infringement&lt;/strong&gt;

What&#039;s that, you ask? Evidently, it&#039;s when you ignore the terms written on the side of Lexmark printer cartridge box, refilling the cartridge with ink even when the company has designated it &quot;single use only.&quot; According to the Ninth Circuit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Latest IP Crime: &#8220;Box-Wrap&#8221; Patent Infringement</strong></p>
<p>What&#8217;s that, you ask? Evidently, it&#8217;s when you ignore the terms written on the side of Lexmark printer cartridge box, refilling the cartridge with ink even when the company has designated it &#8220;single use only.&#8221; According to the Ninth Circuit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Inside Opinions: Legal Blogs</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/09/02/eula-developments/comment-page-1/#comment-13311</link>
		<dc:creator>Inside Opinions: Legal Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 20:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The problem of online contracts&lt;/strong&gt;

Three cases decided recently came to different conclusions on the still open questions of whether click-wrap licenses are enforceable and what actions can they legitimately bind. In BnetD v. Blizzard, the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals held that click-wr...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The problem of online contracts</strong></p>
<p>Three cases decided recently came to different conclusions on the still open questions of whether click-wrap licenses are enforceable and what actions can they legitimately bind. In BnetD v. Blizzard, the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals held that click-wr&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Technology &#38; Marketing Law Blog</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/09/02/eula-developments/comment-page-1/#comment-13233</link>
		<dc:creator>Technology &#38; Marketing Law Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 17:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Blizzard and Arizona Cartridge&lt;/strong&gt;

There are several thoughtful posts on other blogs criticizing 8th and 9th Circuits&#039; recent decisions in Davidson &amp; Associates (d/b/a...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Blizzard and Arizona Cartridge</strong></p>
<p>There are several thoughtful posts on other blogs criticizing 8th and 9th Circuits&#8217; recent decisions in Davidson &amp; Associates (d/b/a&#8230;</p>
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