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	<title>Comments on: When is hacking OK?</title>
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		<title>By: MT</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/12/08/when-is-hacking-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-20619</link>
		<dc:creator>MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s more like using an authentic driver&#039;s license that&#039;s not your own. It&#039;s impersonation. I suppose that falls under &quot;fraud.&quot; But it&#039;s not counterfeiting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s more like using an authentic driver&#8217;s license that&#8217;s not your own. It&#8217;s impersonation. I suppose that falls under &#8220;fraud.&#8221; But it&#8217;s not counterfeiting.</p>
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		<title>By: AC</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/12/08/when-is-hacking-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-20597</link>
		<dc:creator>AC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly hacking is not hacking if you don&#039;t have skillz. If you are a partner at a law firm or a small business owner you don&#039;t have the knowhow to circumvent technological measures. To be less cynical, hacking is hacking when it is not social engineering.

MT: Yes DMCA is in play. To quote:

&lt;i&gt;Circumvention, as defined in the DMCA, is limited to actions that “descramble,” “decrypt,” “avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate or impair a technological measure.” 17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(3) [...] As such, the court concludes that using a username/password combination as intended—by entering a valid username and password, albeit without authorization—does not constitute circumvention under the DMCA.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, analogous behavior in the real world would be replicating an authentication token such as a driver&#039;s license or a video rental card. Presumably both of those actions are fraud of some sort. So the DMCA isn&#039;t necessary to proscribe the behavior of the defendant in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly hacking is not hacking if you don&#8217;t have skillz. If you are a partner at a law firm or a small business owner you don&#8217;t have the knowhow to circumvent technological measures. To be less cynical, hacking is hacking when it is not social engineering.</p>
<p>MT: Yes DMCA is in play. To quote:</p>
<p><i>Circumvention, as defined in the DMCA, is limited to actions that “descramble,” “decrypt,” “avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate or impair a technological measure.” 17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(3) [...] As such, the court concludes that using a username/password combination as intended—by entering a valid username and password, albeit without authorization—does not constitute circumvention under the DMCA.</i></p>
<p>Of course, analogous behavior in the real world would be replicating an authentication token such as a driver&#8217;s license or a video rental card. Presumably both of those actions are fraud of some sort. So the DMCA isn&#8217;t necessary to proscribe the behavior of the defendant in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: MT</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/12/08/when-is-hacking-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-20594</link>
		<dc:creator>MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D&#039;oh! But you probably know that. I forgot the principle that all&#039;s fair in headline writing, including puns not otherwise fit for human consumption.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;oh! But you probably know that. I forgot the principle that all&#8217;s fair in headline writing, including puns not otherwise fit for human consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: MT</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2005/12/08/when-is-hacking-ok/comment-page-1/#comment-20593</link>
		<dc:creator>MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, I think coders want us to call this &quot;cracking,&quot; since &quot;hacking&quot; originated as a word for elegant coding and still gets used to refer to such (as in &quot;a nice hack&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, I think coders want us to call this &#8220;cracking,&#8221; since &#8220;hacking&#8221; originated as a word for elegant coding and still gets used to refer to such (as in &#8220;a nice hack&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: MT</title>
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		<dc:creator>MT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 21:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do the cited cases postdate the DMCA? Maybe the distinction hasn&#039;t been crafted. Instinctively to me, &quot;guessing&quot; is a handfull-of-times kind of thing you do without assistance of a machine and based on some inspiration other than the perception of an obvious universe of possible permutations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do the cited cases postdate the DMCA? Maybe the distinction hasn&#8217;t been crafted. Instinctively to me, &#8220;guessing&#8221; is a handfull-of-times kind of thing you do without assistance of a machine and based on some inspiration other than the perception of an obvious universe of possible permutations.</p>
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