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		<title>By: priya dhawale</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-242876</link>
		<dc:creator>priya dhawale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good work to introduce with  knowledg management</description>
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		<title>By: cjovalle</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21142</link>
		<dc:creator>cjovalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, there is no accountability or sanctions per se once the degree has been received. I know that some states may require continuing education for certain positions, but that is not necessarily the case everywhere. 

I believe the general public is entitled to participate in discussions regarding changes to classification standards. AACR2 is currently under major revision. The official FAQ answers some questions here:
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/jsc/rdafaq.html#2-1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, there is no accountability or sanctions per se once the degree has been received. I know that some states may require continuing education for certain positions, but that is not necessarily the case everywhere. </p>
<p>I believe the general public is entitled to participate in discussions regarding changes to classification standards. AACR2 is currently under major revision. The official FAQ answers some questions here:<br />
<a href="http://www.collectionscanada.ca/jsc/rdafaq.html#2-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.collectionscanada.ca/jsc/rdafaq.html#2-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: madisonian.net &#187; Google&#8217;s Values</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21135</link>
		<dc:creator>madisonian.net &#187; Google&#8217;s Values</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 04:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Could Google Book Search be more transparent &#8212; could the process of search be more transparent &#8212; than it is today? I threw in a &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; suggestion in my last Google post, but I didn&#8217;t really mean it; now I&#8217;ve changed my mind. Google Maps has a build-it yourself feature; in Pittsburgh, a blogospheric colleague of mine recently used that to put together something really cool. Clearly, if Google Book Search had a similar property, so that people could tag and share searches &#8212; build there own classifications, in other words &#8212; Google Book Search would be vastly more transparent than it is today. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Could Google Book Search be more transparent &#8212; could the process of search be more transparent &#8212; than it is today? I threw in a &#8220;folksonomy&#8221; suggestion in my last Google post, but I didn&#8217;t really mean it; now I&#8217;ve changed my mind. Google Maps has a build-it yourself feature; in Pittsburgh, a blogospheric colleague of mine recently used that to put together something really cool. Clearly, if Google Book Search had a similar property, so that people could tag and share searches &#8212; build there own classifications, in other words &#8212; Google Book Search would be vastly more transparent than it is today. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Madison</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of that information.  I was aware generally that professional librarians have advanced academic training and belong to professional associations, but I didn&#039;t have all of the detail.

Two more questions that aren&#039;t answered by the comment:

What happens to a librarian when she/he violates the norms of the discipline?  Is there some mechanism for imposing sanctions or another remedy on the individual?  Or on the institution (i.e., on the library that misbehaves, or employs the librarian that misbehaves)?

Is the general public entitled to participate in discussions regarding changes to classification standards?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of that information.  I was aware generally that professional librarians have advanced academic training and belong to professional associations, but I didn&#8217;t have all of the detail.</p>
<p>Two more questions that aren&#8217;t answered by the comment:</p>
<p>What happens to a librarian when she/he violates the norms of the discipline?  Is there some mechanism for imposing sanctions or another remedy on the individual?  Or on the institution (i.e., on the library that misbehaves, or employs the librarian that misbehaves)?</p>
<p>Is the general public entitled to participate in discussions regarding changes to classification standards?</p>
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		<title>By: cjovalle</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21132</link>
		<dc:creator>cjovalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I should note- I do have an ALA accredited degree, and I have attended a school that was going through the accreditation process, and I work at an ALA accredited institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I should note- I do have an ALA accredited degree, and I have attended a school that was going through the accreditation process, and I work at an ALA accredited institution.</p>
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		<title>By: cjovalle</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21131</link>
		<dc:creator>cjovalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was not my area, but this is my limited understanding of how some of these issues play out, in brief. I hope someone with more specific information chimes in.

In the US, the MLIS and related library degrees are given by schools accredited by the Amercian Library Association. The accreditation policies, procedures, and reports are available here:
http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditation/accredstandards/index.htm

Schools go up for reaccreditation on a periodic basis- six or seven years, I forget off the top of my head.

There is a large community of different but related professional assocations beyond that, for libraries, archives, and other information-related professions. Such organizations include the Society for American Archivists, the Special Libraries Association, state Library Associations, and other groups.

Not all librarians are public librarians, and not everyone who is called a librarian has the accredited degree (although most do).

The workings of public or academic library is more transparent than a private corporation in a number of ways. The classification standards used are accessible by anyone, including MARC and AACR2 cataloging standards. The development of these standards is an open process. There are also international norms associated with the sharing of information, and policies developed by the Library of Congress. If someone wants to look, although there are certain investments in time and effort, they are able to. 

University library records are also subject to laws such as open records acts, which is how we initially saw Google&#039;s contract with the University of Michigan. 

I view the transparency of public libraries in this discussion similar to open source software and how it differs from proprietary software, although the analogy is not completely accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was not my area, but this is my limited understanding of how some of these issues play out, in brief. I hope someone with more specific information chimes in.</p>
<p>In the US, the MLIS and related library degrees are given by schools accredited by the Amercian Library Association. The accreditation policies, procedures, and reports are available here:<br />
<a href="http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditation/accredstandards/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ala.org/ala/accreditation/accredstandards/index.htm</a></p>
<p>Schools go up for reaccreditation on a periodic basis- six or seven years, I forget off the top of my head.</p>
<p>There is a large community of different but related professional assocations beyond that, for libraries, archives, and other information-related professions. Such organizations include the Society for American Archivists, the Special Libraries Association, state Library Associations, and other groups.</p>
<p>Not all librarians are public librarians, and not everyone who is called a librarian has the accredited degree (although most do).</p>
<p>The workings of public or academic library is more transparent than a private corporation in a number of ways. The classification standards used are accessible by anyone, including MARC and AACR2 cataloging standards. The development of these standards is an open process. There are also international norms associated with the sharing of information, and policies developed by the Library of Congress. If someone wants to look, although there are certain investments in time and effort, they are able to. </p>
<p>University library records are also subject to laws such as open records acts, which is how we initially saw Google&#8217;s contract with the University of Michigan. </p>
<p>I view the transparency of public libraries in this discussion similar to open source software and how it differs from proprietary software, although the analogy is not completely accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Madison</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21130</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, all of those mechanism sound good in theory, but how do they hold up in practice?

Who enforces the librarians&#039; code and norms, and how frequently are enforcement mechanisms invoked?  That sounds like self-policing to me -- which can be a suspicious thing.

Faculty have an important university governance role -- in theory; in practice they&#039;re usually pretty indifferent.  When was the last time a university librarian was called on the Faculty Senate carpet?  And who are faculty accountable to?

Public employees are rarely really accountable to anyone, except in a crisis or a scandal.  

Again, I&#039;m not dismissing librarians; they&#039;ve done heroic work.  But the &quot;Google isn&#039;t accountable, librarians are&quot; argument isn&#039;t impressing me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, all of those mechanism sound good in theory, but how do they hold up in practice?</p>
<p>Who enforces the librarians&#8217; code and norms, and how frequently are enforcement mechanisms invoked?  That sounds like self-policing to me &#8212; which can be a suspicious thing.</p>
<p>Faculty have an important university governance role &#8212; in theory; in practice they&#8217;re usually pretty indifferent.  When was the last time a university librarian was called on the Faculty Senate carpet?  And who are faculty accountable to?</p>
<p>Public employees are rarely really accountable to anyone, except in a crisis or a scandal.  </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not dismissing librarians; they&#8217;ve done heroic work.  But the &#8220;Google isn&#8217;t accountable, librarians are&#8221; argument isn&#8217;t impressing me.</p>
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		<title>By: Siva</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21128</link>
		<dc:creator>Siva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First and foremost, librarians are accountable to their professional code of ethics and standards. Their profession enforces essential norms that bolster openness and fairness and value preservation and access.

Second, academic librarians answer to the faculty of their respective universities.

Third, public academic librarians must serve the taxpayers of the states that employ them. They have the same ties of accountability that any other public employee has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First and foremost, librarians are accountable to their professional code of ethics and standards. Their profession enforces essential norms that bolster openness and fairness and value preservation and access.</p>
<p>Second, academic librarians answer to the faculty of their respective universities.</p>
<p>Third, public academic librarians must serve the taxpayers of the states that employ them. They have the same ties of accountability that any other public employee has.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Madison</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/02/21/google-book-search-and-knowledge-management/comment-page-1/#comment-21123</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you explain the accountability of librarians as professionals?  That&#039;s what I&#039;m still puzzled by.  What does &quot;accountable&quot; mean?  Accountable to whom?  Accountable for what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you explain the accountability of librarians as professionals?  That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m still puzzled by.  What does &#8220;accountable&#8221; mean?  Accountable to whom?  Accountable for what?</p>
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		<title>By: Siva Vaidhyanathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siva Vaidhyanathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is suggesting a librarian autocracy over classification  and organization any more than anyone is suggesting that only fire fighters put out fires. 

My point is that it is stupid and counterproductive for the very people who do things best (the publicly-minded and accountable professionals) willingly sign over control to an unaccountable private entity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is suggesting a librarian autocracy over classification  and organization any more than anyone is suggesting that only fire fighters put out fires. </p>
<p>My point is that it is stupid and counterproductive for the very people who do things best (the publicly-minded and accountable professionals) willingly sign over control to an unaccountable private entity.</p>
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