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	<title>Comments on: Celebrity Rights Management</title>
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		<title>By: Mark McKenna</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/10/09/celebrity-rights-management/comment-page-1/#comment-84911</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill -

I suspect you&#039;re right that the song is more likely to affect our interpretation of the meaning of Rosa Parks, and I think I probably agree that the song is a better candidate for initial inclusion under the right of publicity.  But, as I make explicit in my paper, I was only trying to define the initial interest.  The First Amendment interests in the song, in my view, would outweigh Rosa Parks&#039; interests in controlling the meaning of her identity.  My hope was to avoid that conflict as much as possible - recognizing that it is not always possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill -</p>
<p>I suspect you&#8217;re right that the song is more likely to affect our interpretation of the meaning of Rosa Parks, and I think I probably agree that the song is a better candidate for initial inclusion under the right of publicity.  But, as I make explicit in my paper, I was only trying to define the initial interest.  The First Amendment interests in the song, in my view, would outweigh Rosa Parks&#8217; interests in controlling the meaning of her identity.  My hope was to avoid that conflict as much as possible &#8211; recognizing that it is not always possible.</p>
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		<title>By: William McGeveran</title>
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		<dc:creator>William McGeveran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 00:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read McKenna&#039;s piece yet (it&#039;s in my bulging and guilt-inducing reading pile) but I would be skeptical based on your one-sentence summary.  Aren&#039;t the uses which have the potential to influence the meaning of a celebrity&#039;s identity *precisely* those that we most want to protect?  A school bus magnet has little impact on our interpretation of the meaning of Rosa Parks.  But a song might be an important commentary on her.  (OK, the particular OutKast song didn&#039;t say all that much about Rosa Parks either, but it could have).  What about an unauthorized two-hour biopic?

It&#039;s a giant can of especially squiggly worms, no matter how you deal with it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t read McKenna&#8217;s piece yet (it&#8217;s in my bulging and guilt-inducing reading pile) but I would be skeptical based on your one-sentence summary.  Aren&#8217;t the uses which have the potential to influence the meaning of a celebrity&#8217;s identity *precisely* those that we most want to protect?  A school bus magnet has little impact on our interpretation of the meaning of Rosa Parks.  But a song might be an important commentary on her.  (OK, the particular OutKast song didn&#8217;t say all that much about Rosa Parks either, but it could have).  What about an unauthorized two-hour biopic?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a giant can of especially squiggly worms, no matter how you deal with it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McKenna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark McKenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 23:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank -

You&#039;re right that I&#039;ve suggested that the right of publicity interest should be limited to control over the meaning of identity (the piece Frank&#039;s referring to is at http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=794844).  But I don&#039;t think my formulation necessarily leads to the conclusion that Rosa Parks could stop someone from using her image on a toy bus, unless people believed that Rosa Parks somehow sponsored or endorsed that use.  I recognize there are some problems with tying the standard to something like the likelihood of confusion test in trademark law, but I think it would be a lot better than the system we have now (especially with more robust acceptance of disclaimers).

As for the question of how meaning is created, I guess I&#039;m not as post-modern as Mike.  I think the value of a particular image is largely dependent on how people respond to that image, but that particularly in the current celebrity packaging environment, the meaning is more a function of what&#039;s projected.  William Shatner&#039;s career is actually a good example of that point - it is a combination of mixed meaning sources, but most of those meanings were ones he chose and projected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank -</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that I&#8217;ve suggested that the right of publicity interest should be limited to control over the meaning of identity (the piece Frank&#8217;s referring to is at <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=794844)" rel="nofollow">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=794844)</a>.  But I don&#8217;t think my formulation necessarily leads to the conclusion that Rosa Parks could stop someone from using her image on a toy bus, unless people believed that Rosa Parks somehow sponsored or endorsed that use.  I recognize there are some problems with tying the standard to something like the likelihood of confusion test in trademark law, but I think it would be a lot better than the system we have now (especially with more robust acceptance of disclaimers).</p>
<p>As for the question of how meaning is created, I guess I&#8217;m not as post-modern as Mike.  I think the value of a particular image is largely dependent on how people respond to that image, but that particularly in the current celebrity packaging environment, the meaning is more a function of what&#8217;s projected.  William Shatner&#8217;s career is actually a good example of that point &#8211; it is a combination of mixed meaning sources, but most of those meanings were ones he chose and projected.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Madison</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2006/10/09/celebrity-rights-management/comment-page-1/#comment-84585</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s important enough to the culture, then we might say that it&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://madisonian.net/archives/2005/01/27/has-eyes-on-the-prize-been-commonsized/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;commons-ized&lt;/a&gt;.  But that concept is either so broad that it&#039;s unworkable, or so narrow that it&#039;s useless.  We might know it when we see it, but we&#039;ll often see different things.

But I don&#039;t think that Mark McKenna&#039;s standard is a more workable alternative; celebrity meaning is often at least as much a creature of consumer associations as a function of brand management.  (William Shatner&#039;s career, for example, is in many ways a delightful example of mixed meaning sources.)  In some ideal world, it might be possible to separate the one from the other . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s important enough to the culture, then we might say that it&#8217;s <a href="http://madisonian.net/archives/2005/01/27/has-eyes-on-the-prize-been-commonsized/" rel="nofollow">commons-ized</a>.  But that concept is either so broad that it&#8217;s unworkable, or so narrow that it&#8217;s useless.  We might know it when we see it, but we&#8217;ll often see different things.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think that Mark McKenna&#8217;s standard is a more workable alternative; celebrity meaning is often at least as much a creature of consumer associations as a function of brand management.  (William Shatner&#8217;s career, for example, is in many ways a delightful example of mixed meaning sources.)  In some ideal world, it might be possible to separate the one from the other . . . .</p>
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