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	<title>Comments on: Digg, AACS, and the Section 230 Safe Harbor</title>
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		<title>By: marilynlucas11</title>
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		<dc:creator>marilynlucas11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To play vob, or not to play vob. That is the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To play vob, or not to play vob. That is the question.</p>
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		<title>By: AlsatM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlsatM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to quote your post in my blog. It can?<br />
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		<title>By: when it’s out there, it’s out there at electronic sprocket</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2007/05/05/digg-aacs-and-the-section-230-safe-harbor/comment-page-1/#comment-213759</link>
		<dc:creator>when it’s out there, it’s out there at electronic sprocket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been seeing and hearing and watching a lot about what happened at Digg.com with the HD-DVD hex code. I see a lot of discussion of free speech, piracy, DRM, DMCA, safe harbor, etc. but I don&#8217;t really see anything about what I consider to be the heart of the matter. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I&#8217;ve been seeing and hearing and watching a lot about what happened at Digg.com with the HD-DVD hex code. I see a lot of discussion of free speech, piracy, DRM, DMCA, safe harbor, etc. but I don&#8217;t really see anything about what I consider to be the heart of the matter. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hostgator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Protecting Digg From Getting Shut Down</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2007/05/05/digg-aacs-and-the-section-230-safe-harbor/comment-page-1/#comment-213290</link>
		<dc:creator>Hostgator &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Protecting Digg From Getting Shut Down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 05:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A law professor explains how Digg could get out of legal trouble from the HD-DVD Key business.read more &#124; digg story [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cartoons Fans Lounge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cartoons Fans Lounge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: mattbriançon &#187; Can Digg survive a major AACS lawsuit?</title>
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		<dc:creator>mattbriançon &#187; Can Digg survive a major AACS lawsuit?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Personally, I&#8217;ve got no idea. But this guy presents both sides of the argument. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Personally, I&#8217;ve got no idea. But this guy presents both sides of the argument. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pico</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 14:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Digg is making a much greater statement than just about article 230.  Freedom of speech and the press were violated by these laws and the ways they are currently being interpreted.  It&#039;s time to revisit laws that violate our consitutional rights.  It&#039;s time to look at what free speech and freedom of the press really mean.  It&#039;s time to start taking back freedoms for which this nation was founded on.  Whether Digg goes down or not will just prove this point further.  The legalese &quot;garbage&quot; posted here will only server as a method to help defend them in an already broken system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Digg is making a much greater statement than just about article 230.  Freedom of speech and the press were violated by these laws and the ways they are currently being interpreted.  It&#8217;s time to revisit laws that violate our consitutional rights.  It&#8217;s time to look at what free speech and freedom of the press really mean.  It&#8217;s time to start taking back freedoms for which this nation was founded on.  Whether Digg goes down or not will just prove this point further.  The legalese &#8220;garbage&#8221; posted here will only server as a method to help defend them in an already broken system.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Prime News Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; wonder women cartoon porn Protecting Digg From Getting Shut Down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 13:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike Madison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 13:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey -- That&#039;s not how Section 230 works.  

John, Denis -- Right.  AACS doesn&#039;t really claim to &quot;own&quot; a number; AACS claims a legal right over the meaning of a number.  The relevant precedent (the Reimerdes case), however, mostly rejects the idea of a First Amendment defense protecting a &quot;protest&quot; here, at least so far as the claim is made against the intermediary that intentionally distributed that meaning, rather than against the individual user.

Scotty -- Apples and oranges.  The DMCA isn&#039;t about trade secrets.  Somewhat paradoxically, the DMCA offers protection against distribution of certain circumvention technology, even if that circumvention technology is well-known.  AACS may or may not be a trade secret.  Even if its trade secret status is lost, the DMCA claim is still potentially valid.  Separately, does the fact that the short integer has been revoked mean that the DMCA claim vanishes, too?  (The legal question would be this:  Does the revoked short integer lose its status as &quot;a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work&quot;?)  Perhaps, at least as to people who are currently republishing the number, and perhaps also as to people who republished the number following revocation.  To my knowledge, however, there is no legal precedent applicable to that question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey &#8212; That&#8217;s not how Section 230 works.  </p>
<p>John, Denis &#8212; Right.  AACS doesn&#8217;t really claim to &#8220;own&#8221; a number; AACS claims a legal right over the meaning of a number.  The relevant precedent (the Reimerdes case), however, mostly rejects the idea of a First Amendment defense protecting a &#8220;protest&#8221; here, at least so far as the claim is made against the intermediary that intentionally distributed that meaning, rather than against the individual user.</p>
<p>Scotty &#8212; Apples and oranges.  The DMCA isn&#8217;t about trade secrets.  Somewhat paradoxically, the DMCA offers protection against distribution of certain circumvention technology, even if that circumvention technology is well-known.  AACS may or may not be a trade secret.  Even if its trade secret status is lost, the DMCA claim is still potentially valid.  Separately, does the fact that the short integer has been revoked mean that the DMCA claim vanishes, too?  (The legal question would be this:  Does the revoked short integer lose its status as &#8220;a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work&#8221;?)  Perhaps, at least as to people who are currently republishing the number, and perhaps also as to people who republished the number following revocation.  To my knowledge, however, there is no legal precedent applicable to that question.</p>
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		<title>By: Scotty1024</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scotty1024</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 10:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to throw out some points and see what the legal experts here make of them.

The short integer in question here has many common shared uses with other commercial and non-commerical computer software systems. The DMCA appears to grant an exemption for such cases.

The AACS-LA previously revoked the short integer in question. They can not argue that Digg users caused or contributed to said revocation. They are now arguing about control over a short integer that they themselves have already conceded as a lost cause. 

In any case, does the DMCA continue to protect revoked short integers that are by the design of the protection system now supposed to stop working?

In addition, apparently the cause of the disclosure of the AACS-LA&#039;s use for the short integer in question was lack of reasonable measures to protect the short integer by an AACS-LA licensee. 

Apparently the short integer was left out in public memory on millions of personal computers and some number of owners whom were inspecting the contents of their personal computers memory stumbled upon the unprotected short integer.

Is it not incumbent upon those wishing to maintain secret ownership, as in trade secrets, to take reasonable efforts to secure those items from public disclosure? And having been shown to have not taken reasonable care with their secrets do they not lose any claim to proprietary ownership of them?

What level of lack of protection of their proprietary secrets does the DMCA provide a shield to? Can the AACS-LA publish the new short integer they have selected and sit back and expect the DMCA provisions to protect them? If not, did they provide sufficient protection in the case of the now revoked short integer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to throw out some points and see what the legal experts here make of them.</p>
<p>The short integer in question here has many common shared uses with other commercial and non-commerical computer software systems. The DMCA appears to grant an exemption for such cases.</p>
<p>The AACS-LA previously revoked the short integer in question. They can not argue that Digg users caused or contributed to said revocation. They are now arguing about control over a short integer that they themselves have already conceded as a lost cause. </p>
<p>In any case, does the DMCA continue to protect revoked short integers that are by the design of the protection system now supposed to stop working?</p>
<p>In addition, apparently the cause of the disclosure of the AACS-LA&#8217;s use for the short integer in question was lack of reasonable measures to protect the short integer by an AACS-LA licensee. </p>
<p>Apparently the short integer was left out in public memory on millions of personal computers and some number of owners whom were inspecting the contents of their personal computers memory stumbled upon the unprotected short integer.</p>
<p>Is it not incumbent upon those wishing to maintain secret ownership, as in trade secrets, to take reasonable efforts to secure those items from public disclosure? And having been shown to have not taken reasonable care with their secrets do they not lose any claim to proprietary ownership of them?</p>
<p>What level of lack of protection of their proprietary secrets does the DMCA provide a shield to? Can the AACS-LA publish the new short integer they have selected and sit back and expect the DMCA provisions to protect them? If not, did they provide sufficient protection in the case of the now revoked short integer?</p>
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