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	<title>Comments on: Stanford, Students, and the DMCA</title>
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		<title>By: Frank Pasquale</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2007/05/17/stanford-students-and-the-dmca/comment-page-1/#comment-211324</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank Pasquale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2007 21:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s one account of some other issues with these suits: 

http://info.riaalawsuits.us/howriaa.htm

according to that piece: 

&quot;The only &quot;notice&quot; the &quot;John Does&quot; get is a vague letter from their ISP, along with copies of an ex parte discovery order and a subpoena, indicating that an order has already been granted against them: i.e., instead of receiving notice that the RIAA is applying for an order, they instead are notified that they have already lost the motion, without ever even having known of its existence.

&quot;They are not given copies of (i) the summons and complaint, (ii) the papers upon which the Court granted the ex parte discovery order, or (iii) the court rules needed to defend themselves, all of which are normally provided to defendants in federal lawsuits. Most recipients of this &quot;notice&quot; do not even realize that it means that there is a lawsuit against them. None of the recipients of the &quot;notice&quot; have any idea what they are being sued for, or what basis the Court had for granting the ex parte discovery order and for allowing the RIAA to obtain a subpoena.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one account of some other issues with these suits: </p>
<p><a href="http://info.riaalawsuits.us/howriaa.htm" rel="nofollow">http://info.riaalawsuits.us/howriaa.htm</a></p>
<p>according to that piece: </p>
<p>&#8220;The only &#8220;notice&#8221; the &#8220;John Does&#8221; get is a vague letter from their ISP, along with copies of an ex parte discovery order and a subpoena, indicating that an order has already been granted against them: i.e., instead of receiving notice that the RIAA is applying for an order, they instead are notified that they have already lost the motion, without ever even having known of its existence.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are not given copies of (i) the summons and complaint, (ii) the papers upon which the Court granted the ex parte discovery order, or (iii) the court rules needed to defend themselves, all of which are normally provided to defendants in federal lawsuits. Most recipients of this &#8220;notice&#8221; do not even realize that it means that there is a lawsuit against them. None of the recipients of the &#8220;notice&#8221; have any idea what they are being sued for, or what basis the Court had for granting the ex parte discovery order and for allowing the RIAA to obtain a subpoena.&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;Knock-Off Nigel&#8221; Coming to the UK at madisonian.net: a weblog about law, technology, and society</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 02:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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