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	<title>Comments on: Law and Inzaghi</title>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2007/05/24/law-and-inzaghi/comment-page-1/#comment-213524</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 01:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for instant replay, at least of disputed goals.  The institution has been introduced in football and hockey and those games are much the better for it.  There&#039;s also a nascent movement in tennis to allow player challenges, and I think it&#039;s been largely successful.  

It&#039;s pretty hard to think of an argument against using computer technology to get calls right.  The one that seems most plausible in soccer is that it might disrupt the flow of the game, which isn&#039;t constantly broken by time outs like American sports.  But I don&#039;t buy this.  First, soccer is far from a continuous flow, but has stoppages all the time (ref whistles blow play dead on a frequent basis for fouls, balls gone into touch, etc.).  Second, goals are already stoppages of play.  Adding a few moments won&#039;t change much, especially if the review is limited only to disputed goals.  

Given FIFA&#039;s centralized command-and-control structure, change will come more slowly to soccer, but it&#039;s only a matter of time before they give in to the rising replay tide, and when they do the sport will be the better for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for instant replay, at least of disputed goals.  The institution has been introduced in football and hockey and those games are much the better for it.  There&#8217;s also a nascent movement in tennis to allow player challenges, and I think it&#8217;s been largely successful.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty hard to think of an argument against using computer technology to get calls right.  The one that seems most plausible in soccer is that it might disrupt the flow of the game, which isn&#8217;t constantly broken by time outs like American sports.  But I don&#8217;t buy this.  First, soccer is far from a continuous flow, but has stoppages all the time (ref whistles blow play dead on a frequent basis for fouls, balls gone into touch, etc.).  Second, goals are already stoppages of play.  Adding a few moments won&#8217;t change much, especially if the review is limited only to disputed goals.  </p>
<p>Given FIFA&#8217;s centralized command-and-control structure, change will come more slowly to soccer, but it&#8217;s only a matter of time before they give in to the rising replay tide, and when they do the sport will be the better for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Penn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 11:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it actually hit Inzaghi&#039;s shoulder, and it is always interesting to see the player&#039;s reactions, as they are often the closest people to the incident - I didn&#039;t see that Reina or any of the Liverpool players indicate that they thought it was a handball. 

 If you know Inzaghi&#039;s game you will know that he invariably plays on the shoulder of the last defender or bats the ball into the net with an improbable piece of his anatomy, start reviewing every unorthodox goal and you will remove a large element of the interest in watching football.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it actually hit Inzaghi&#8217;s shoulder, and it is always interesting to see the player&#8217;s reactions, as they are often the closest people to the incident &#8211; I didn&#8217;t see that Reina or any of the Liverpool players indicate that they thought it was a handball. </p>
<p> If you know Inzaghi&#8217;s game you will know that he invariably plays on the shoulder of the last defender or bats the ball into the net with an improbable piece of his anatomy, start reviewing every unorthodox goal and you will remove a large element of the interest in watching football.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Madison</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2007/05/24/law-and-inzaghi/comment-page-1/#comment-212035</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Madison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The assistant referee was likely shielded from the play by Inzaghi&#039;s body position.  I didn&#039;t think at the time to notice the referee&#039;s positioning (though to complement the assistant referee, the referee should have been facing the play -- i.e., should have had an unobstructed view of the goal).  But I think your assessment is right:  regardless of their position, the officials didn&#039;t see the play clearly.

So, since play already had stopped, this is a situation that might call for some kind of instant review based on recorded video.  All goals might be subject to review.  Was Inzaghi really in an onside position for goal #2?  I believe so, but the goal was excellent precisely because it was extremely close.  Or Liverpool&#039;s coach, or perhaps the captain of the victimized side, might elect to throw the equivalent of the NFL&#039;s red flag, electing to have the play reviewed.

Would this upset the spirit of the game?  Would it undermine the referee&#039;s authority in any sense?  Would it lead the sport down a problematic slippery slope?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The assistant referee was likely shielded from the play by Inzaghi&#8217;s body position.  I didn&#8217;t think at the time to notice the referee&#8217;s positioning (though to complement the assistant referee, the referee should have been facing the play &#8212; i.e., should have had an unobstructed view of the goal).  But I think your assessment is right:  regardless of their position, the officials didn&#8217;t see the play clearly.</p>
<p>So, since play already had stopped, this is a situation that might call for some kind of instant review based on recorded video.  All goals might be subject to review.  Was Inzaghi really in an onside position for goal #2?  I believe so, but the goal was excellent precisely because it was extremely close.  Or Liverpool&#8217;s coach, or perhaps the captain of the victimized side, might elect to throw the equivalent of the NFL&#8217;s red flag, electing to have the play reviewed.</p>
<p>Would this upset the spirit of the game?  Would it undermine the referee&#8217;s authority in any sense?  Would it lead the sport down a problematic slippery slope?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://madisonian.net/2007/05/24/law-and-inzaghi/comment-page-1/#comment-212023</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 21:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I was pulling for Milan, I was surprised more wasn&#039;t made out of the handball issue.  Here&#039;s the nearest I can figure.  If a ball hits a player&#039;s hand or arm, one of two scenarios result:

1.  The ref regards the infraction as intentional.  A foul is called and the play is whistled dead.  Penalties are assessed (more egregious handballs might get a yellow or worse if in the box or near the goal).

2.  The ref regards the infraction as unintentional.  No foul, no whistle, play continues, and whatever happens as a result of the deflection from the arm or hand is part of the continuation.

So here, the ref clearly seems to have thought the Inzaghi non-handball fell into category 2, hence no foul was called and whatever happened to the ball as a result of the contact with Pippo&#039;s arm--here, a goal--was allowed to take place.

The rules indeed don&#039;t seem to include any tiebreakers in borderline cases (i.e., close cases are always infractions), but here my guess is that the ref simply didn&#039;t see what went on very clearly.  I thought the goal went in direct from Pirlo&#039;s free kick, and only saw the Inzaghi deflection on the replay.  By the time anyone realized there might have been a handball, it was likely way too late to revise the non-call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I was pulling for Milan, I was surprised more wasn&#8217;t made out of the handball issue.  Here&#8217;s the nearest I can figure.  If a ball hits a player&#8217;s hand or arm, one of two scenarios result:</p>
<p>1.  The ref regards the infraction as intentional.  A foul is called and the play is whistled dead.  Penalties are assessed (more egregious handballs might get a yellow or worse if in the box or near the goal).</p>
<p>2.  The ref regards the infraction as unintentional.  No foul, no whistle, play continues, and whatever happens as a result of the deflection from the arm or hand is part of the continuation.</p>
<p>So here, the ref clearly seems to have thought the Inzaghi non-handball fell into category 2, hence no foul was called and whatever happened to the ball as a result of the contact with Pippo&#8217;s arm&#8211;here, a goal&#8211;was allowed to take place.</p>
<p>The rules indeed don&#8217;t seem to include any tiebreakers in borderline cases (i.e., close cases are always infractions), but here my guess is that the ref simply didn&#8217;t see what went on very clearly.  I thought the goal went in direct from Pirlo&#8217;s free kick, and only saw the Inzaghi deflection on the replay.  By the time anyone realized there might have been a handball, it was likely way too late to revise the non-call.</p>
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